“7 Times The MSM Got Destroyed In A Debate In 2016”

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7 Times The MSM Got Destroyed In A Debate In 2016

By Brandon Turbeville

With the recent hysteria in the mainstream media over so-called “fake news” and “Russian propaganda,” it is clear that the Western corporate press is lashing out wildly at the threat of the alternative media. Every time the corporate press has put forward a false narrative about Syria, the alternative press has been there to dismantle it. Every time a false flag attack happens to galvanize Americans, the alternative media has been there to expose it. Every time the corporate press chooses to talk about Beyonce instead of massive government scandals, the alternative press has been there to pick up the slack.

Thus, it is clear that the alternative media has finally reached the point where it is a major threat to the corporate propaganda operation and the deep state is having to react in order to neutralize it. Hence, we have “fake news” scandals that were entirely manufactured and made up and the reason why unproven claims of Russian propaganda are being reported by actual fake news outlets like CNN, NPR, and the rest as factual.

With all that being said, there are increasing numbers of clashes between alternative media journalists and the corporate outlets trying to slander them. When the corporations can slander alt media personalities without response, the propaganda tends to work well enough. However, when faced with an alt media journalist who can respond, the corporate media tends to fall flat on its face every time.

Below are some highlights from 2016 where the corporate media clashed with the independent media and got its ass kicked. Enjoy.

1.) Eva Bartlett DESTROYS Mainstream Journalist

Having spent a number of months on the ground in Syria, traveling all across the country and, specifically, Aleppo, journalist Eva Bartlett has finally returned to the Western world with yet another round of firsthand knowledge of the Syrian Crisis. Bartlett has traveled to Syria a number of times, each time carrying back a story widely different from that peddled on the mainstream corporate press of NATO countries.

After having left Syria, Bartlett took part in a press conference organized by the Syrian mission to the United Nations. After giving a brief statement about what she has observed in Syria and how she is aware firsthand of the Western media’s deception in terms of coverage of the crisis, she was questioned by a Norwegian journalist, Christopher Rothenberg, who challenged her claims that the Western media was lying.

You can see Eva’s epic response here:

2.) David Icke Clashes With Obnoxious Childish TODAY Show Hosts

Icke is always characteristically gracious and patient with mainstream journalists who, over the years, have abused, ridiculed, and mocked everything he says, most times taking it out of context to use against him later. Perhaps after years of mainstream stupidity, Icke seems to have come out ready to fight during his latest tour of corporate news. This interview earns its place on the list because a.) Icke brings the ignorance of the hosts full circle at the end of the program and b.) because the male host was so obviously obnoxious that if Icke had said nothing, the TODAY Show was revealed for being the daily dose of brain-killing entertainment that it is.

3.) Eva Bartlett Destroys Mainstream Pundit On Syria Ceasefire Question

Although RT is not what one would consider “mainstream” in the U.S., the debate most certainly involved a mainstream academic, Stephen Zunes of the University of San Francisco as well as Eva Bartlett and historian Gareth Porter. Early on the in the debate, Zunes began reciting his training that there are many “moderate” terrorists and that the Syrian military was responsible for untold amounts of dead civilians. Eva jumps in shortly after and dumps a bucket of cold water on Zunes’ regurgitation of State Department and mainstream propaganda lines. After only a few moments of debate with Bartlett, Zunes becomes more and more frustrated and visibly irate, making gestures and becoming restless throughout the debate.

4.) Jesse Ventura Defends Gary Johnson, Opposes The Drug War, Praises Putin On Yahoo! News

What would a list of confrontational interviews be like without Jesse Ventura? In this interview, the host is obviously pushing an anti-Russia propaganda line and attempts to push this line on Ventura. Wrong move. The only bad thing about Ventura’s interviews with mainstream propagandists is that there aren’t enough of them. Perhaps the MSM is a bit frightened?


5.) Vanessa Beeley and Daniel McAdams destroy Brent Budowsky in RT debate

Brent Budowsky has been making the rounds for a few years now promoting the war in Syria and, now that the word has come down the pike to attack the Russians, doing that as well. Faced with debating Vanessa Beeley, who has traveled to Syria a number of times and has personal, eyewitness testimony regarding the situation on the ground, Budowsky could only rely on rhetoric and shouting to stay in the debate. Beeley and McAdams could rest assured they had won the debate when Budowsky started yelling “dead Syrian civilians!!!” and “dead babies!!!!” at the top of his lungs over and over again, curiously asking Beeley if she’d ever interviewed any of the “dead Syrian babies” that he claims Assad killed. We are not sure how Beeley could interview a dead baby but we are sure that she won the debate.

6.) Eva Bartlett Deals Strongly With Dilly Hussain, Terrorist Supporter Based In The UK

To his credit, Hussain has been Eva’s most formidable opponent yet. But it only took 3 minutes into the program before Hussain starts screaming that Eva is a “Russian agent” and “conspiracy theorist.” Hussain did his best to over-talk and shout down Bartlett before she firmly silenced him. Despite the fact that every time Hussain put forward as much propaganda and rhetoric as he possibly could, Bartlett followed behind him and completely eviscerated him. Finally, after calling him out on what she labels his “Zionist strategy,” Hussain manages to insult the RT host into a debate over whether or not he is pushing Russian propaganda. It’s a valiant effort on the part of Hussain but, ultimately, a slow burn and crash at the end. Toward the end of the program, Hussain is left looking like schoolyard bully who has just been beaten up in front of the class.

7.) David Icke Calmly Rips Apart The Propaganda of Andrew Neil, Liz Kendall, Michael Portillo on BBC

Not his most confrontational interview here but Icke walks calmly through all Neil’s attempts at making his “conspiracies” look ridiculous. Each time Neil throws out a snide question to Icke, David avoids the mine field and manages to bring out a staggering amount of truth in the time he has to speak. The program concludes with Andrew Neil saying that, in his lifetime, everything has always been investigated and has turned out alright. Right Neil. Everything is fine. Nothing to worry about here.

If you know of any other moments like this, feel free to include them in the comments.

Brandon Turbeville – article archive here – is the author of seven books…

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2 thoughts on ““7 Times The MSM Got Destroyed In A Debate In 2016”

  1. Why does Turbeville intersperse his list of otherwise outstanding examples of instances in which the mainstream press is called out and shown to be duplicitous with David Icke interviews?

    I don’t know what to make of David Icke. To me, he is merely an example of how all humans are cursed with minds that are a curious mixture of ideas, half of which are grounded in “reality,” half of which are mere phantasms.

    I happen to think that on a great many issues David is in fact very incisive; on others, he is to my mind either being metaphorical in his description of the “aliens” among us, i.e., the psychopaths, which are as human as I am in all respects except their in their atrophied morality and might thereby be aptly described as “lizard like” or “extra-trerrestiral,” or he is somewhat deluded, even while admitting as he does, that apart from the ghastly immoral decisions made by the power elite, there is really no way for us to distinguish between the “extra-terrestrials” among us and ourselves, the human beings under their alien control, which is as much as admitting, if you are arguing rationally and not on the basis of ancient mythologizing or in an analogical or metaphorical line, that no evidence whatever exists for asserting any belief for extra-terrestrial rule over mankind. And yet Icke insists upon it!

    In this respect, Icke either is insane or being disingenuous, and this is likely very much how he must strike a broad viewing audience, in my opinion. And it is precisely why the mainstream press occasionally interview him, to present him to the wider public as a representative example of the ‘kinds’ of people you can expect to find among those who tend to question mainstream orthodoxies, that is, as being a little loony. Icke, in other words, is perfect for discrediting by association anyone who questions widely accepted opinions or beliefs, especially if he himself holds to them for perfectly rational reasons, including, as it happens, that Assad, like Gaddafi or Hussein or Milošević, is a brutal tyrant, precisely the thing that all other exemplary interviews on Turbeville’s list happen to do.

    Personally, I am quite capable of differentiating the rational nuggets in Icke’s worldview from what I deem to be his less than rational arguments, and the latter in my judgement in no way diminish the strength of the very rational elements in Icke’s thinking merely because he enunciates them with an apparently equal sincerity.

    Generally, however, people are not so discriminating and forgiving, and there is even an element of reasonableness behind such misgivings: unreliable testimony rightly inclines to distrust. Even a liar, for example, sometimes tells the truth, but for all that, very much remains a liar if lying continues to be his wont, so that even if he is telling you the truth, you are quite right to doubt him. So it is with the unreliable or irrational witness, though it may not be his intention to mislead, he doesn’t recollect or reason all that well.

    I wonder about Turbeville’s list or his reason for including David Icke on it: who doesn’t know that if a turd is set afloat in the punch bowl, fewer will drink from it?

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  2. I don’t care for Icke either. But he does take on some of the issues that concern me.

    I don’t care much for any mere mortal who has been turned into a god. And Icke thinks of himself as a god.

    The over all theme of the article is why I posted it. To be honest, I am finding less and less articles worth posting. So this was just scraping the bottom. Right now, unless someone wants to suck off Putin, in a literary sense, there isn’t much to write about. It’s the same old shit every day: Putin, Trump, Hacking, Syria, Obama, neolibs, “fake news”, etc, ad-nauseum.

    Norm, my days are numbered, when it comes to doing this shit. My Canadian friend here, told me the other day that it’s his son’s turn to take all this shit on. And he is twelve years my junior.

    I’m burned out to the point that I can hardly read, watch or write anything. So from here forward, if I have already posted on an issue, and there’s nothing new, then I will not be posting anything.

    I need to make a return to alcoholism. This is why I keep trying to get Tube to send me a crate of Wild Turkey;-)


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